Parallel
Added vocals. I need some Real Honest Critique on this track now. Good or bad, don't care, just no sugarcoating.

*UPDATES*
Added a thick Vocoder to the vocals, alternating chords to match the last layered synth that comes in at the breakdown.
*17:30PST
upped the vocoder just a tad. makes all the difference
*06-22-07
Worked in the vocoded effect on the vox. Shuffled some samples around, and upped the levels of low toned samples

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Comments
Tue, 19/06/2007 - 2:13am
...needs something layered over it. Its 'almost' there, but not quite. I've got something in my head, but this cold wont quit. ugg. lol. I'll reupload something when I can actually sit at my studio for more than 10 mins. at a time. hehe.
Peace.
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Wed, 20/06/2007 - 9:48am
Is the clap too loud in this track? In some parts, it seems so, but others it doesnt.
Im
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Wed, 20/06/2007 - 10:02am
... Im uploading a new copy -- clap reduced a tad, and the scratchy sample (4 measures after the breakdown) turned up a tad.
Enjoy!
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~Boeko
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Wed, 20/06/2007 - 2:32pm
That ones dark and nasty, good job. Like i said before though, why not throw in a vocal sample or any sample for that matter, just some bait for the listener. The clap sounds fine.
Maybe for the future, you could spice up the percussion. Check out some Yoruba Soul remixes, they have the most interesting drums, not really your style of music but could give you inspiration or an idea. The "Yoruba Soul Remix" of "Tired Lil One" is a perfect example. http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=4746
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Wed, 20/06/2007 - 7:42pm
agree with Billion on the vocal sample.
This is nice dark prog imo and im hearing a weird pichted down vocal sample/loop.
I like the feel and dirtyness of it and dig the slight acidiy sounds that kicks in round 3.40.
Just a needs a little something to set it off.
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Thu, 21/06/2007 - 2:21am
... on that one.

Thanks for the push in the right direction guys.
Im picturing some kind of low dark voice rambling on about something, starting at the breakdown, that gets progressively louder and intense as the breakdown gets to its climax, then when it busts back in, at certain key points thereafter, I'll throw in certain cuts off that rambling speech.
Now,, to just find some vox that will suit this.
I wish I had a decent mic. I'd be doing these samples myself, I've got some writings I've been waiting to stick into my tracks. I've been dying to use this 32 band vocoder vst I picked up. I suppose I could use my shitty headset mic, but the sound quality on that is bunk, you can hear how that mic sounds on my song "Push". Thats what I used for the vox on that one.
-Cheers
~Boeko
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Thu, 21/06/2007 - 4:54am
...well, recorded some actually. I had to load up Cool Edit, of all things, but it got my mic sounding pretty crispy. No buzzing or humming, so I gave it a go. Got a 50second rant, now Im just messin with the effects, and gonna see how this runs. I'll probably just splice the section I insert the speaking into, when I put it up here for review.
If anyone wants to contribute some vocals that they think would sound good, just let me know, cuz this rant I recorded isnt concrete, Im open to suggestions.
Peace.
-Cheers
~Boeko
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Thu, 21/06/2007 - 5:16am
...of what the breakdown sounds like with that sample I made stuck in there.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2I4NGEUM
I don't think I like it. Its horribly EQ'd, and the delay is too much at the end of the speech (easily changed, but just wanted to get it up here for review) Vox are insanely hard to EQ, even after I normalized it...
Can anyone do better?
Please? lol
*edit
if anyones interested, since I know the lyrics arent the clearest, from the effects that are layered, here they are.
Half the things I thought I knew,
I was only half way to understanding.
Must be The reason I ran from it all
Ran from everything, from everyone.
Still running, parallel to my fear as it holds my head in the sand;
Suffocating in the darkness.
Cut down the past to feed the thirst of negativity.
So raw, so real
Forgive, or forget;
the coin that lands on its side
Parallel to my fear as life answers its own questions,
Mocking my existance
Time to turn
Face the fear;
Cross the parallel
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Thu, 21/06/2007 - 9:22am
...EQing vocals are a bitch? lol

Its trying to normalize the "T"s and "S"s and "F"s so they dont sound too sharp/piercing, while trying to keep the inbetweens moderate and not too low sounding. Insanity. lol
Im beginning to like the lyrics finally though. lol
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Fri, 22/06/2007 - 3:11am
...is what I need to accomplish. I've got a technique thats working for me, but it needs some MAJOR refining. Pinpointing the exact frequency you want to De Ess is incredibly difficult, and is accompanied with another major problem -- the technique uses a sort of 'attack and release' technology to achieve De essing (using a "sidechain" compressor and an EQ to pinpoint the frequency(ies) you want to silence), but directly after the de ess (assuming you've pinpointed the exact freq.) the release doesnt seem to be fast enough, and is kind of muffling right after the S, or T. Only for a micro second, but its still noticeable.
This will be a skill that will take some refining.
-Cheers
~Boeko
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Fri, 22/06/2007 - 5:38am
I dont care whether its good or bad critiques, just be honest, and no sugarcoating. I have no problem changing what I've done, adding different vox, removing it all together, or whatever else. Im highly open to suggestions at this point.
This is my first shot at vocals (asides from "Push" but that was dinky compared to this), and honestly, I just don't know if this does it good or bad for the track. (The vocal EQ levels are still a bit off in a couple of places, I just wanted to get it up here for review)
Offer still stands if someone wants to do some vox for this track as well.
With that, I'll leave the floor to you Undiscovered.
-Cheers
~Boeko
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Fri, 22/06/2007 - 6:35am
dig it mate, maybe have another crack at the eq'ing but the feel of the vocal is great.
Id drop the very last bit of it though, i think were you have layed it is good but it dosen't need that last bit as the track is winding up.
This vocal suits the dirty feel of the track.
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Fri, 22/06/2007 - 7:37am
In regards to the EQ levels. Too much, not enough? What I hear, is the breakdowns levels sound good, but after that, it sounds alot lower (even though the levels werent touched, its the layered elements that drop the vox down). I've upped the vox after the breakdown to compensate for the layered effects that are drowning it out, and I dropped the last piece of vocals. Ur right, it sounds much better with that trimmed.
But
Something just isnt clicking up here *points to head* with these vocals. Im picturing the same kind of darkness with the tone, but more vocoded, with some reverse fx, and/or gate/notch fx stuck in. Oh! and, a foreign language. lol I think having foreign lyrics/samples would bring this track over the top.
Its funny, cuz I was initially going for a 'dreamy' kind of sound with this tune when I wrote it. By adding the vox, I've brought it right back to that dark/raunch sound. Not that I don't like it, but I was going for something different.
Does anyone have any token samples they would toss my way for me to play with? Or know of any databases on the net? I've found a couple so far, but most are just cheesy-ass trance vox.
-Cheers
~Boeko
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Fri, 22/06/2007 - 7:43am
it with more vocoder.
As long as it dosen't get to muddy.
I cant help you with samples im afraid
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Fri, 22/06/2007 - 9:24am
... and added some umph to the vocoder on the vocals. Nothing too muddy (I don't think, at least). I altered the cord variation on the vocoder to match the acidy synth that works in at the breakdown. Seems to be the best I can EQ the vox as well.
Comments? Suggestions? Handouts?
*Im starting to feel like Aphex, with all this vocal editing.
-Cheers
~Boeko
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Fri, 22/06/2007 - 11:46am
u know u r ur own worst critique
lol
damn. i guess that is good in some ways...
as u stated its not my style but i did listen and it was deep and as ur boys say dark.
but it was smooth. im not sure how to say it.
im glad u provided the lyrics because i was trying to listen and couldnt catch it...lol
i found the beginning a lil long for me before the vocals popped in tho. sorry
but u cant go by anything i say. im not a dj...lol
besitos
Fri, 22/06/2007 - 2:15pm
I have to wait till tonight when i get home and onto some decent speakers.
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Fri, 22/06/2007 - 4:13pm
I feel the vocals fit and are appropriate but they need to be drawn out more so you can hear them a little better as Miss ssanchez stated. Hilighted if you will. Throw a little salt & peppa on those bad boys
Fri, 22/06/2007 - 8:56pm
for me.
I like the later stages of the vocal from 3.40 on, the way the vocoder trails of is cool, maybe if the beginning of the vocal wasn't as vocodered.
Work into the effect slowly, as the vocal make progress increase the effect.
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Sat, 23/06/2007 - 1:25am
I'll work on it some more today. I like the sound of working in the vocoding. Its also a simple fix (just tweaking the dry/wet pot). And Im Allllllllll about simple today. I might brainstorm some other simple fx to add in there as well. You all need to dabble in sound production, so I can toss these files your way for some hands-on input. hehe.
I've used Reason 3.0 solely for this track. Im suprised at the quality of music I've been able to produce out of that program in the last few months. Took me well over 2 years to master that damn program, so its about time.
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~Boeko
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Sat, 23/06/2007 - 2:35am
I tuned up a couple of the samples that I thought were too low. Its hard to get the proper balance between vox and music when the track is as full as it is. If you bump the vocals up too much, it will 'limit' the levels on the music track, and same thing for the track, if the track is bumped up too much, it will limit the vox.
I think I kind of want the end user to struggle a bit to understand the lyrics, in the parts past the breakdown (easy out for me. lol)
I worked the Vocoded effect in. I tried to match it to the acidy synth that works in at the breakdown. I think I got it pretty well.
I worked on this track so much yesterday (mainly the vocals) that I dreamed about it last night. o.0
-Cheers
~Boeko
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Sat, 23/06/2007 - 9:32am
done mate, that is cool!
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Sat, 23/06/2007 - 9:54am
Thanks for the feedback
Couldn't do it without you cats!
*still open to suggestions*
-Cheers
~Boeko
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Tue, 28/08/2007 - 12:04pm
really like it....not a big fan of the vocals though or the part where you drop the bass note down an octave...but the rest is pretty solid
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