Sunbell
Straight up tech track that wears its influences on its sleeve. Some adjustments to be made but looking for a little outside input to get some perspective. All feedback and comments welcome.
- Length: 9:21 minutes (14.98 MB)
- Format: MP3 Stereo 44kHz 224Kbps (CBR)
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Mate I really liked the groove in this a lot. I think you've got a fantastic selection of sounds that you're working with here.
If this was my track I would have made the intro a little more busy and progressed before the main drop. I think this would make it easier for mixing. The melody that the bassline is playing sounds awesome underneath the rest of the song. In the first breakdown when it is exposed however it sounds a little odd to me? Can't quite put my finger on why though. I really like the main riff. Its simple and makes me nod my head. Its got a really interesting timbre too. For me the main breakdown built up really nicely and was creating just the right amount of tension and then it dropped back in a little too suddenly - kind of felt like there was unfinished business there.
Is the sub bass off key with the main bass? Didn't quite sound right when those 2 sounds were exposed but fine in the rest of the mix.
Instead of using the bell every 4 bars, I'd use it more sparingly, at most every 8. Less can be more, especially in a long track like this where the sounds repeat for longer. Also it sounds lke its about 2 beats behind the start of the bar. I guess its good to break with convention from time to time but in this instance it just didn't quite fit for me.
The big, harsh riser that comes in around 6:30 min or so sounds too dissonant to the main melody. I can see what you've tried to do with this but it sounded like it really didn't belong there. I would still use a riser but with a 'smoother' timbre that sits better with the rest of the mix.
After the beat drops back in at 7:05 min I would remove that high pitched rising sfx. The one that sounds like a rising insect sound. I think its effective through the body of the track but it kind of out lives its usefulness after the last breakdown - maybe even earlier.
I really like the change in the bassline after the last breakdown. The pad is effective too.
Like I said, I dig the groove in this and with a few mods this would be 5 stars in my book.
PS - Did you use Live 8 for this?
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Hey Q, really helpful input
Hey Q, really helpful input mate. So good to get some outside advice and you have given me food for thought.
First off, yes this is produced using Live8 Suite with some additional sounds from a microKorgXL and some third party efx plug-ins.
I'm going to get back into the studio and make some adjustments in the sequencing and mixdown of this track and your suggestions have helped me with working out the areas that need attention here. A few things will be changed, some will stay the same, and I hope you'll take the time again to let me know what you think. It's much appreciated and a good sign if I'm almost there with you, as you know I'm an appreciator of your mixes and selection in tasteful techno.
I've got several other tunes very close to being able to post for criticism and suggestions so keep your ears out for 'em soon. Still waiting to hear anything you've got on the boil........
Peace in the middle east.............. Rhys.
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No probs at all mate. I'm
No probs at all mate.
I'm definitely keen to see where you go from here.
Interesting you should ask about my own work. I'm at the stage of doing the final arrangement on my first track that I believe is worthy of being posted here. Still a little bit of tinkering to do but should hopefully be up within a week or two.
Have you checked my 'Teknology' mix yet? Am interested to see what you think.
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Teknology is going on the
Teknology is going on the playlist today whilst I do my domestics (oh yeah life is sweet when your cleaning the house). Looking forward it as I've read it's your first with the APC and has been well received.
Really looking forward to your production debut. Hoping I'll be able to help you in the same way you have me.
Peace in the middle east.............. Rhys.
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oooh looking forward, Q...
oooh looking forward, Q... wat DAW did u use?
rhys... loved the track... can't really say too much in the way of constructive criticism. I did find that the triplet riff (you know with the woody kind of square synth... u no the one) clashed a bit when there were other things playing (your hats were in duplet time for example); perhaps you could change this into a duplet time when it is not during the break (triplets sounded great there). Or you can re-quantise your other instruments. I just felt as though the rhythms clashed a little... Other than that, i can't fault it at all (production wise).
Keep up the good work man, can't wait for more
Peace,
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Hey Csm, I used Live 8 for
Hey Csm,
I used Live 8 for my mix with the APC40 and same again for all production work. I do have Logic 9 but I plan to learn that down the track. Just starting to make good progress with Abes so not ready to start all over again.
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I'd have to say it's a good
I'd have to say it's a good idea to restrict yourself so to speak with regards to DAW software when your starting out. Learn everything you can in Live and then if you want something it is not capable of look for it in Logic. Most DAW's have very similar functionality and results it's just they use slightly different terminology and interfaces. People seem to be using Live for a lot more than just idea sketching more and more now it is progressing towards being an all in one production platform. Interestingly in the new issue of Future Music Claude Von Stroke reveals he uses Reason for everything. Shows you don't need Logic or Protools to have commercial success.
Peace in the middle east.............. Rhys.
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Yes very true Rhys and I'd
Yes very true Rhys and I'd like to believe you.
Its just that time and again I come across producers (who do know their shit) who bag Ableton for the quality of the finished product. I'm still not sure if this is just DAW arrogance? I personally haven't heard a track produced with Logic played next to a track produced with Ableton and compared the two so I'm in no position to comment. One of the guys who told me this was PQM who has been there and done that when it comes to production so I'm inclined to take notice.
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I'm not suggesting there is
I'm not suggesting there is no difference only that the gap is closing rapidly and neither Logic nor Live can be seen as capable of producing a top shelf commercial release without the addition of third party mastering plug ins. In testing though since going 64bit the engine of Ableton does match Logic and Cubase's despite what you've heard. Previously it didn't and to some people it never will but theoreticaly there should be no difference. I know people that won't master in Logic opting for protools instead. There is a certain amount of snobbery over it and some of it is or has been justified in the past.
Peace in the middle east.............. Rhys.
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Rhys, a really good track! Probably not something I'd play as the kick is a little soft, and although it's dark it doesn't really thrum with enough energy for me - I can still appreciate it for what it is though.
I think it could probably do with a different dynamic towards the middle - perhaps a bit more silence and a breakdown after that REALLY sweet peak with some heavily-processed vocal (or other unique sampling??). After the massive peak it didn't really sustain enough energy for me either... it went back to normal too soon (disappointing for me because I really enjooyed that build up).
The use of wash is nice... and I really love how you used it to bring the track UP (particularly at the ~ 6:30 mark) and DOWN again.
Could be a bit faster too?
Enjoyed it Rhys... there's a lot of potential in you. I'm also really pleased to see you've put your money where your mouth is too, in terms of practicing what you preach to others... (I've read comments of yours that call for a bit more 'naturalisation' of tracks - like fucking up the beats and samples... but in a good way? I can see you're on the way to doing that)
Wanted to give you 3.5 but the respect (find out what it means to me) factor rounded up your rating for me.
Great work mate.
Luke
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dude sounds good i like all of it, but the build up takes too long and i couldnt skiup it coz i cant load theplayer properly but other than that i liked what i heard
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Hey mate,
As my production skills aren't quite to par
, I also couldn't give any thing particularly beneficial in terms of constructive criticism, but i did like this allot. The intro was great then that rythm you brought in at the 2.30 was wicked, that really made lsiten and your drop at 4.50 was bang on.
The only thing i didn't like was the bass line you brought in at 5.30. Can def' see why you would want to bring something like that into the track also, but it did sound like it was clashing; may have been more the melody of it, not sure?
Apart form that, a pretty sweet track overall and I can say that I'd put something like that into one of my mixes for sure!